Saturday, 20 October 2018




Ray Taylor (chair), eighteen members, and TDC Cllr Carol Messenger. 

Apologies had been received from Pam O'Toole, Sam Secomb, Sylvia and Tony Sykes, Mavis Vaughan, TDC Cllr Sam Bambridge, WTC Cllr Matthew Scott, and KCC Warden Laura Bungard.

The minutes of the last meeting, (10/09/18), which had been circulated, were agreed as a correct record on a prop. by Tony Snow sec. by Cllr Carol Messenger, and adopted, and signed.

1)      Letter Boxes.  Chris Wyer informed the meeting that in Herne Bay a few of their letter boxes had been repainted, the refurbishment appears to be proceeding in a haphazard way.
2)      Planning Applications.  129, Sea Road,  application for demolition had been refused, and Cllr Carol Messenger confirmed there was no precedent for such demolitions.   
3)      Westgate-on-Sea town Council.  A vote for the co-option of a new councillor had taken place from three candidates and Robert Micallef had been elected.
4)      Trees at Meade's.  No further information available.    

REPORTS: Councillors-KCC, TDC, WTC. PCSOs and Wardens.

TDC Cllr Carol Messenger:
1)      Bin Collections.  There had been a good improvement in this service.
2)      Lymington Road Traffic.  Complaints had been made concerning the speed  of cars, and the pedestrian crossing was not very well marked or lit.
3)      Fund Raising for British Legion/Poppy Appeal.  To mark one hundred years since WW1 and in memory of more than seventy men from Westgate who lost their lives, an event will take place at The Swan on 17th November which will include entertainment and a buffet.  Also the following week there will be  a quiz at the Community Centre to mark the one hundred years, the proceeds of this will go to the Community Centre.
4)      Grass Verges and Parking. In answer to a question  Cllr Carol Messenger said that KCC were responsible for the verges, but TDC councillors could investigate this and she would liaise with KCC Warden Laura Bungard.
5)      State of the Roads.  It was noted from the floor that some of the drains on the dual carriageway were blocked, and the surface of Canterbury Road by the BP garage was in poor condition.
6)      Possible Micropub at “The Nott”.  No further information available.  

KCC WARDEN Laura Bungard: (Sent in and read out by the chairman).
1)      Horse Lorry Parked Opposite Christ Church.  This is  partly on the pavement with one flat tyre and apparently abandoned has no MOT, and should be removed soon.
2)      Untaxed Cars.  Quite a few seen in Adrian Square, Victoria Avenue, and Cambourne Avenue, and other roads reported to DVLA.
3)      Pot Holes.  A number of small but deep ones seen in Garlinge Westbrook and Westgate.  All reported and awaiting repair.
4)      Two vehicles seen with the same registration number in the Linksfield  Road area reported to police.
5)      One House in Westgate is dealing drugs between 2.00am and 5.00am.  All registration numbers reported to Kent Police.
6)      KCC contacted again about pedestrian crossing in Westgate Bay Avenue where there is danger due to speed of cars.
7)      Blocked Drains.  There is a problem clearing these as cars are parked over them.  Laura has reported blocked drains again.
8)      Free Yoga and cooking for weight loss/diabetes is offered by Thanet Ageless at the Community Centre and Library.  Call 01843 296687 or email for information.
9)      Laura may be contacted by phone 07969 583922 or by email .

1)      Bake House.  This will be closed for October for redecoration, and is to reopen on 5th November.  It is also hoped to improve the acoustics by reducing the echos with wall hangings and fibre notice boards.
2)      Remembrance Day.  The W&WRA will be laying a wreath at the Westgate Memorial, Sea Road, and there will  be an appropriate display in the Bake House for two weeks.
3)      Dedication of Memorial in Lymington Road Recreation Ground.  This is to take place on Friday 2nd November at 2.00pm.  The memorial is by the entrance, and Dr Dawn Crouch is making all necessary arrangements.
4)      Stroke Centre Policy Demonstration.  This went well until it became political.
5)      QEQM Hospital A&E.  There is talk of downgrading this in spite of all the new proposed houses.
6)      Local Plan and Proposed Houses.  The letter writing took placed as arranged in the Bake House and the thirty letters were delivered.  Others wrote and posted their letters from home.  Cllr Carol messenger had leafletted many houses and surprisingly found numerous households oblivious to the proposals.
7)      MacMillan Coffee Morning.  This had raised £226 and was made up to £230.

A question from the floor about the lighting of beacons as part of Remembrance Day at 7.00pm, asked if it was known  if  a beacon is to be installed in the Rounder in St Mildred's Bay.  It was thought this was the case, and there may be a choir and piper near Millie's Bar.


1)      44, Westfield Road.  Application for erection of dormer window to front and rear to facilitate loft conversion.
2)      115A, Canterbury Road, (Opposite Dot's Cafe).  Application for erection of attached two storey building to accommodate 2-bed self contained maisonette, and ground floor office use following demolition of existing building.
3)      Unit 1, 18-20A, Station Road.  Proposed variation of condition 2 attached to planning permission, change of use from storage and distribution to community use to allow alterations to fenestration.  This is the former Meade's building and some members felt that an objection should be made as there are residents nearby, but this is not for community use of local people.
4)      16, Pembroke Avenue.  Application for erection of single storey front extension with change of use of garage to living accommodation.
5)      28, Argyle Avenue.  Application for erection of 2M high boundary fence to George V Avenue.
6)      Tamerisk, 105, Sea Road.  Application for erection of first floor balcony and terrace with UPVC french doors.
7)      Ursuline College, 225, Canterbury Road.  Application for listed building consent for refurbishment of “block C” including new door for fire exit and demolition of two storey building and single storey buildings by Canterbury Road to provide additional parking.

Bank balance stands at £7,171.  Advertising revenues are now paid, there is a bill to pay for the last magazine printing of £319.  

Ray Taylor reported that the next magazine should be out before Remembrance Day, and invited any more articles from members that could be included.

No report.

No new information.

Westgate Heritage Centre:  Saturday 3rd November at 10.30am at CHRIST CHURCH, “Commemorating the Centenary of the Great War” - A short talk by Dr Dawn Crouch on Westgate-on-Sea in November 1918, followed by a tribute to the men who lost their lives in the Great War.

Civic Society: 1st November at the Walpole Bay Hotel at 7.30pm there will be a talk by  John Drewy, Patron of The Nursing Memorial Appeal, “Time to Thank Them”.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

Pat Castle confirmed the monthly meeting report, and details of the lunch at The Swan had been sent in to the local press.

1)      New Year Lunch.  Christina informed the meeting that the requested date of Sunday 13th January 2019 still awaited confirmation from St Augustines.
2)      Next social lunch at The Swan is Sunday 21st October.  

1)      Fence by Green at St Mildred's Bay.  A member pointed out that this was falling down near the blue hut.  It was thought to be the responsibility of TDC. Ray agreed to look into this.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
2)      Pedestrian Crossing Survey in Westbrook Avenue.  The average speed had shown  as 36mph in the report which means some vehicles are travelling considerably faster, and member Bob Loxley asked if  the speedwatch team could include this in their rota of venues.                                             
3)      Defibrillators.  These had not as yet been placed around the town, it was believed that one was in the WTC offices.  Shops that are open for extended hours could make good venues.   
4)      Remembrance.  A suggestion of silhouettes for beaches or cliffs of outlines of soldiers was made.
5)      Sunken Gardens.  The planting in this previously neglected venue by volunteers was proceeding well.

Monday 12th November at The Bake House.  

There being no other business the meeting concluded at 8.28pm.

Friday, 14 September 2018




Ray Taylor (chair), and twenty three members, KCC Cllr Emma Dawson, and TDC Cllrs Sam Bambridge and Carol Messenger. 

Apologies had been received from Sam Secomb and WTC Cllr Matthew Scott.

The minutes of the last meeting, (13/08/18), which had been circulated, were agreed as a correct record on a prop. by James Brazier sec. by Dee Hooper, and adopted, and signed.

1)      Speed Camera, Canterbury Road.  Chris Wyer reported that this is working well.
2)      Planning Applications.  A request by Chris Wyer concerning a large building said to be planned for removal to allow the building of flats, (Victoria House in Carlton Rise), resulted in the chairman agreeing to look into the matter.   
3)      Local Plan Protest March.  This had taken place on 1st September, and it was observed that two other groups had hijacked the march, one being the NNF group (no night flights), and these were asked to leave by a councillor.    

REPORTS: Councillors-KCC, TDC, WTC. PCSOs and Wardens.
KCC Cllr Emma Dawson:
1)      Westgate Bay Avenue Zebra Crossing Request.  There had been a survey in the area and the average traffic speed was 36mph, but there had not been many pedestrians waiting to cross the road, so resources would not at present be used for a crossing. A pedestrian refuge in St Mildred's Road between Dadds the Butchers and  the Carlton Cinema is to be considered.
2)      Signs.  A “Welcome to Margate” sign has been placed on the roundabout by the Nayland Rock, and community signs from TDC concerning litter.
3)      Sunken  Gardens.  Requests may be made for a community grant for flowers. (It was thought that this is being done by Peter Hasted and the volunteer group).

TDC Cllr Carol Messenger:
1)      Street Cleaning Complaints.  There is  to be a meeting with the Town Clerk and TDC and cleansing staff concerning improvements.
2)      Local Plan.  The consultation period is now live, and opinions are invited. There are two meetings this week, on Wednesday 12th September at the Community Centre with WTC, and on Thursday 13th September at the Swan with Sir Rger Gale MP and TDC councillors.  Both meetings at 7.00pm.
3)      Planning.  The application to demolish a large house at 129 Sea Road has been refused.
4)      The Homeless.  The man who was at the Co-op has been offered three properties but did not behave reasonably, and is now begging at Marks and Spencers.  Residents are advised not to give money or food as he is in receipt of benefit.  This Thursday Porchlight are carrying out a sweep of the area. There is a blue tent near the Westgate memorial, TDC and Porchlight are aware, the public are advised not to approach.
5)      Lymington Road Recreation Ground.  The application by Dr Dawn Crouch for a memorial plaque has now been approved.
6)      Local Plan.  There had been no time left for councillors to oppose this, but Manston had been removed to protect it.  It was hoped to reduce the number of proposed houses in Westgate by consultation.  

KCC WARDEN Laura Bungard: (Sent in and read out by the chairman).
1)      Graffiti.  This  has been reported, and TDC clean up any on council property.
2)      Overgrown Hedges.  Where these impede footpaths etc. they are reported to KCC Highways who require the owner to cut them back, or charge for it to be done.
3)      ASB.  This year has not been too bad, any incidents are reported to the police.
4)      Camper Vans and Vehicles Staying Overnight.  If they are taxed, insured, and have MOT they are legally allowed to be there as long as no criminal offences are committed.
5)      Laura may be contacted by phone 07969 583922 or by email .

Chris Wyer pointed out that cars are being sold on Canterbury Road.
The chairman said it had been some time since local PCSOs had attended a W&WRA meeting with their report, but could be contacted by Kent Police Website.

1)      Local Plan.  Ray informed the meeting that the Bake House will be open Saturdays 10.30am to 1.00pm to assist residents who wish to write to TDC about the local plan.  Pens paper and envelopes have kindly been supplied by WTC and there are helpful suggestions available.  The  letters may be  left in a box in the  Bake House and they will then be delivered. Refreshments donated by Joanna Cornford.
2)      Bake House Redecorations.  Having spoken with the landlady the condensation and mould  will be dealt with, (the wrong paint was used last time), the toilet fan will be repaired and windows at the back reopened.  Our signs and  notices will be updated to fit the frames.  The Bake House may have to be closed for a short period but should be open again before remembrance day.
3)      Green Wedge by Allen Avenue (end of Linksfield Road).  Though not part of the  local plan there is concern to keep this from development, in spite of reports in  the local press Ray has confirmed that there are no plans to build on this site.
4)      Remembrance Day – 100 years.  Ray suggested that the Bake House be appropriately decorated to commemorate those who had died.  Members may be able to make some more knitted poppies, black buttons had been requested by Betty for this purpose.
5)      TV Licensing authorities will be making a visit to check there is no receiving equipment in the  Bake House, the chairman had replied on the declaration they would be welcome and could purchase a cup of the excellent W&WRA tea or coffee.
6)      Amenity Tip.  KCC propose to charge for taking soil, rubble, hardcore and plasterboard etc. There is a consultation period for this to be considered.

A question from the floor about possible use  of toilets in shops to replace the public toilets when closed was raised.  TDC Cllr Carol Messenger said that following a review the public toilets will be open for longer.

1)      Police emails.  No new information, as last month warned of bogus callers in the area who try to trick their way into homes to steal valuables and money.   Thefts from cars have taken place, do not leave valuables inside.   

1)      28, Waverley Road.  Application for erection of 1 x two storey two bed dwelling.
2)      8, Cliff Field.  Application for erection of two storey and single storey side extensions with single storey rear extension.
3)      43 to 49, Marine Terrace, Margate.  Application for 124 bedroom hotel with restaurant/bar, gymnasium, meeting spaces, rooftop bar following demolition of existing buildings.

Bank balance stands at £5,229.  Advertising revenues of £1,260 are expected.  A few more advertisers would be welcome.  

Ray Taylor reported that the facebook page is doing very well, and the new magazine would be out soon.

Mavis reported that no cards had been required this month.

Christina reported that thirty three new members had joined this year and more were joining.

Westgate Heritage Centre:  Saturday 6th October at 10.30am at THE SWAN, illustrated talk by Sally Whitworth on the Rammell family, one-time owners of Streete Court and other land relating to Westgate.
Also the Heritage Open Day's programme on Saturday September 15th from 12.00noon to 4.00pm, in the Town Hall.

Civic Society: There are Heritage open days next Saturday and Sunday, and on the 4th October at the Walpole Bay Hotel at 7.30pm there will be a talk by Dr Andrew Brown BA, PhD, MCBA, planning director, SE Planning Group, historic England on “Thanet's Gift to the World”.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

Pat Castle confirmed the monthly meeting report had been sent in to the local press.

1)      Sunday Lunches.  The next one is to be held on 23rd September.
2)      MacMillan Coffee Morning. To be held at the Bake House on 28th September.  

1)      Westgate-on-Sea Town Council. James Brazier informed the meeting that co-options were due to be made to fill vacancies on the council, there were now four names put forward, (although the two candidates available earlier had not been considered).
2)      Tree at Meades.  Concern was expressed that the roots had been undermined, the work was alleged to be necessary for pest control. A second tree nearby is intact.                                              
3)      Westbrook Road.  Chris Wyer pointed out that the new block of flats only had  spaces for bicycle stands but the residents owned many cars which were causing congestion problems. 
4)      Flower Beds by War Memorial.  These are in need of weeding and a member asked if TDC was responsible for their upkeep.  Cllr Carol Messenger agreed to chase this up.
5)      Post Boxes.  It was reported some had been refurbished whilst most were not.

Monday 8th October at The Bake House.  

There being no other business the meeting concluded at 8.40pm.

Sunday, 5 August 2018







Ray Taylor (chair), and fifteen members. 



Apologies had been received from Pat Castle, Dee Hooper, Mick Tomlinson, Mavis Vaughan, and WTC Cllr Matt Scott.


Ray Taylor then Pat Sawyer-Jones to read ouit an email received from Mick Tomlinson who expressed concern that the large number of council items and meetings arising at present, make it impossible for him to carry out the duties of chairman of the W&WRA as he feels he should, and consequently will be stepping down.  Mick is still prepared to help,  advise, and support the W&WRA as much as possible.

Comments from the floor included the wish to express our thanks and best wishes, and how it is a good  thing to have a councillor regularly attend our meetings.

Following a discussion, it was suggested from the floor that the committee co-opt Ray Taylor to fill the office of chairman, and Mick Tomlinson be vice-chairman.  On a show of hands all, bar one member who wished not to vote, were in agreement.  



The minutes of the last meeting, (11/06/18), which had been circulated, were agreed as a correct record on a prop. by Viv Osborne sec. by James Brazier, and adopted, and signed.



1)      Grass Verges.  Comments from the floor included concerns that site lines had been obstructed and a risk of fires had arisen due to lack of cutting.

2)      Canterbury Road.  Some resurfacing is to be carried out near pedestrian  crossings.  The speed camera near the golf course although appearing to be partly obstructed by trees is working. 

3)      Cleaning Machines (“Gluttons”).  James Brazier reported that these had been stored in the shed in Boundary Road but had been stolen during a break-in, and an insurance claim was now being made.    



REPORTS: Councillors-KCC, TDC, WTC. PCSOs and Wardens.

KCC Warden Laura Bungard: (sent by e mail and read out at the  meeting).

1)      Blocked Drains.  KCC is aware and working on this problem.

2)      Cigarette Butt Container at Corals.  This is to be replaced.

3)      Tents at Westbrook Undercliff.  TDC are aware and have details of the six homeless people who are not from Thanet and must therefore return to the councils of their last known address for help.  Laura and Gordon Hunt of TDC are working to effect enforcement for removal of the tents.

4)      Bins in Westgate.  With the considerable increase in the number of students in the summer Laura has requested that the  bins be emptied more often.

5)      Parking Enforcement Officers at St Crispins School.  This has been requested due to on going problems.

6)      Contact/Availability.  Laura is available to talk whilst on her rounds, also her phone number is 07969 583922 and e mail is, or a message can be left in the Bake House or Library.



Ray reported on the recent 60th anniversary celebrations.

The final cost had been £905.  Ticket sales, tombola etc had raised £351 resulting in a net cost of £554.

It had been a very good event.  The children from King Ethelbert School had done very well with their music and singing especially as it was their first public function, and Ray had congratulated their teacher.  The “Blend” singing group had also been very appreciated.

Sylvia Sykes thanked the committee and workers who had worked hard to put the event on so well.

A letter of thanks congratulations and a donation had been sent to the K. E. School, and this was fully endorsed by the  meeting.



1)      Police emails warned of bogus callers in the area who try to trick their way into homes to steal valuables and money.  Rogue traders are also in the area. It is always wise to check up on unknown callers before allowing them into your home.  To report suspected rogue traders call Citizens Advice consumer service on 03454 040506.

2)      Ray added that information about scams is now on the W&WRA facebook entry.



There was no new information available.  The meeting asked that Mick be requested to forward copies of the planning applications.

Members had enquired as to the work being carried out at the site of the former Meade Electrical premises.



No Report.  



Ray Taylor reported that the next magazine was almost ready for printing.  In answer to a question he confirmed that a contact list for councillors is included.



No Report.



Christina reported that the road stewards now had collected almost all the subscriptions.  Some members had been lost but new ones had joined.



Westgate Heritage Centre:  Saturday 4th August at 10.30am at St Saviour's Church, illustrated talk by member Colin Osborne “100 years of a Westgate Family”.


Civic Society: Summer break, the programme resumes in October.




1)      Sunday Lunch.  The list is now on the notice board for the next lunch.

2)      Cancer Coffee Morning.  To be held at the Bake house on 28th September.  



1)      Proposed New Houses.  Ray had been asked by a WTC councillor what the W&WRA intended to do concerning the new houses.  Ray had suggested that the WTC and the W&WRA should work together, and this was endorsed by the meeting. In the Minster Road area 2,500 houses are proposed.  It was hoped that the local residents' views and opinions collected at the original consultation meeting will be given full consideration

2)      Gypsy Caravans and Horses.  These had arrived opposite Palm Court, and fires had been seen.  Concern was expressed that the situation could escalate. 

3)      Litter and Dog Excrement on Pavements.  This had become very extensive and at an unacceptable level.  Embarrassment had been caused when groups were on guided tours in the town.  A litter bin for the Sea Road/Roxburgh Road area had been requested. 

4)      Westgate Station.  Rumours of closure had been heard and enquiries made but no information was as yet forthcoming.





Monday 13th August at The Bake House.  


There being no other business the meeting concluded at 8.40pm.